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		<title>By: Marie Poulin</title>
		<link>http://informationarchitects.jp/social-media-marketing-kaboom-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-153319</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Poulin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Social Media Marketing experts&quot; are right up there with the &quot;SEO experts&quot; in my books. scaaaam.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One client showed me a proposal outline from a &quot;social media marketing&quot; company, and the company was charging a third of my year&#039;s salary for things like: setting up a facebook and myspace page, creating a twitter account, &quot;Search Engine Marketing,&quot; Content Syndication, &quot;RSS Strategy Development&quot;, &quot;pay per click&quot;, &quot;video optimization&quot;... I am not saying some of this isn&#039;t useful and/or necessary, but I think a lot of companies are capitalizing on the fact that there are clients out there who will pay for what they think they need, even if they have no concept of what the return on investment is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also had a client who was nearly talked into paying $800/month for &quot;search engine optimization.&quot; It boggles my mind...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Social Media Marketing experts&#8221; are right up there with the &#8220;SEO experts&#8221; in my books. scaaaam.</p>

<p>One client showed me a proposal outline from a &#8220;social media marketing&#8221; company, and the company was charging a third of my year&#8217;s salary for things like: setting up a facebook and myspace page, creating a twitter account, &#8220;Search Engine Marketing,&#8221; Content Syndication, &#8220;RSS Strategy Development&#8221;, &#8220;pay per click&#8221;, &#8220;video optimization&#8221;&#8230; I am not saying some of this isn&#8217;t useful and/or necessary, but I think a lot of companies are capitalizing on the fact that there are clients out there who will pay for what they think they need, even if they have no concept of what the return on investment is.</p>

<p>I also had a client who was nearly talked into paying $800/month for &#8220;search engine optimization.&#8221; It boggles my mind&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stijn Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stijn Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with most of what is said in the article, but ... let&#039;s not confuse tactics with strategy! Indeed Social Media as a tactic is a waste of time and money! 
Most companies have used it as a tactic indeed, but none of them have properly implemented a social media strategy on the long term!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nobody spoke about the objectives of the campaigns ... Can we say that Skittles was a bad campaign, no gifts, no TV shows, no crazy creative, just awareness!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what is said in the article, but &#8230; let&#8217;s not confuse tactics with strategy! Indeed Social Media as a tactic is a waste of time and money! 
Most companies have used it as a tactic indeed, but none of them have properly implemented a social media strategy on the long term!</p>

<p>Nobody spoke about the objectives of the campaigns &#8230; Can we say that Skittles was a bad campaign, no gifts, no TV shows, no crazy creative, just awareness!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jasmine</title>
		<link>http://informationarchitects.jp/social-media-marketing-kaboom-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-152878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Joanne : &quot;facilitating communication (marketing)&quot;?
Marketing is meant for selling. Reading terms from dictionaries isn&#039;t really how you can learn about marketing. A Marketer should be able to define personally what marketing is.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joanne : &#8220;facilitating communication (marketing)&#8221;?
Marketing is meant for selling. Reading terms from dictionaries isn&#8217;t really how you can learn about marketing. A Marketer should be able to define personally what marketing is.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Leon Paternoster</title>
		<link>http://informationarchitects.jp/social-media-marketing-kaboom-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-152749</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Paternoster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In the same way that writing a blog is &#039;marketing&#039;. People read blogs because they want to be entertained and informed: if they&#039;re not, they won&#039;t read the blog.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If they are entertained and informed I guess they&#039;ve been marketed to; i.e. you&#039;ve created a favourable impression of yourself, established your credentials, or &#039;brand&#039; even. This is an &lt;em&gt;honest&lt;/em&gt; exchange in a way that traditional marketing or advertising isn&#039;t. Traditional ads/campaigns try to &lt;em&gt;persuade&lt;/em&gt; you that their product is the greatest thing ever. That&#039;s why the language is often elusive (marketese), and you get phrases like &#8220;qualified green light facilitation&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the same way that writing a blog is &#8216;marketing&#8217;. People read blogs because they want to be entertained and informed: if they&#8217;re not, they won&#8217;t read the blog.</p>

<p>If they are entertained and informed I guess they&#8217;ve been marketed to; i.e. you&#8217;ve created a favourable impression of yourself, established your credentials, or &#8216;brand&#8217; even. This is an <em>honest</em> exchange in a way that traditional marketing or advertising isn&#8217;t. Traditional ads/campaigns try to <em>persuade</em> you that their product is the greatest thing ever. That&#8217;s why the language is often elusive (marketese), and you get phrases like &#8220;qualified green light facilitation&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Oliver Reichenstein</title>
		<link>http://informationarchitects.jp/social-media-marketing-kaboom-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-152744</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Reichenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@David: I think we do not disagree too much. But you probably did mix up one thing: Most people came here through the Web Trend Map and not the other way round. (Didn&#039;t you?) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To understand how all this works you need to know that selling the Web Trend Map is not a profitable business. Not at all. So here is how it works: Some Web Trend Map fans are business owners. Some of these hang it on the wall because we try our best to make it look and work as good as we can. 

A few fans become our customers, because after lookin at the map they read our articles, and eventually, they like the way we think and speak and work. However, most clients come through existing real life contacts. The (success of the) Web Trend Map just reconfirms their impression that we&#039;re actually different. Nothing works better than selling to a existing contact that has seen our poster in the Google, eBay or TechCrunch head office.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, if you want to call the Web Trend Map series a branding, advertising or marketing campaign, be my guest. The effect it has certainly is comparable to what used to be called like that. But please, call it Internet marketing and not social media marketing. Enjoy your sushi. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David: I think we do not disagree too much. But you probably did mix up one thing: Most people came here through the Web Trend Map and not the other way round. (Didn&#8217;t you?) </p>

<p>To understand how all this works you need to know that selling the Web Trend Map is not a profitable business. Not at all. So here is how it works: Some Web Trend Map fans are business owners. Some of these hang it on the wall because we try our best to make it look and work as good as we can. 

A few fans become our customers, because after lookin at the map they read our articles, and eventually, they like the way we think and speak and work. However, most clients come through existing real life contacts. The (success of the) Web Trend Map just reconfirms their impression that we&#8217;re actually different. Nothing works better than selling to a existing contact that has seen our poster in the Google, eBay or TechCrunch head office.</p>

<p>Now, if you want to call the Web Trend Map series a branding, advertising or marketing campaign, be my guest. The effect it has certainly is comparable to what used to be called like that. But please, call it Internet marketing and not social media marketing. Enjoy your sushi. :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Pinto</title>
		<link>http://informationarchitects.jp/social-media-marketing-kaboom-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-152742</link>
		<dc:creator>David Pinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nicely put: All of the Internet is “Social Media”. Right...or &quot;one&quot; may want to call it Web Presence, which is an individual, group or company on ALL of the Internet. Social media advertising might not work (agreed) but social media thrives on content and the &quot;marketing&quot; thereof. It is up to the brands to figure out how to strategically place relevant, useful content that gets consumed, discussed, and distributed by individuals/prospects.  For example, take this article and its author. Don&#039;t tell me it&#039;s not social media marketing. How else did it reach me? And incidentally, it led me to a cool Tokyo subway map. At the very least, it made me want to go out and BUY some good sushi for lunch. Digest that!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put: All of the Internet is “Social Media”. Right&#8230;or &#8220;one&#8221; may want to call it Web Presence, which is an individual, group or company on ALL of the Internet. Social media advertising might not work (agreed) but social media thrives on content and the &#8220;marketing&#8221; thereof. It is up to the brands to figure out how to strategically place relevant, useful content that gets consumed, discussed, and distributed by individuals/prospects.  For example, take this article and its author. Don&#8217;t tell me it&#8217;s not social media marketing. How else did it reach me? And incidentally, it led me to a cool Tokyo subway map. At the very least, it made me want to go out and BUY some good sushi for lunch. Digest that!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Oliver Reichenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Reichenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Tony. As you can see from the discussion above, it all depends on how you define marketing. If you say that marketing is not mainly promote and sell (anymore), but rather customer support and getting customer feedback (&quot;entering conversations&quot;, man, do I hate these phony terms!) is what you mean by &quot;social media marketing&quot;, we do agree. But: &lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;No matter how ever fluffy any marketing association wants to define itself, &quot;improving society&quot; is not how most people, especially the customer, but also CEOs and CFOs understand marketing. The marketing guy needs to improve the numbers and not waste more time on facebook chatting with bored people and trouble makers (often the image of the average user that wants to talk to companies, as portrayed by the &quot;social media marketing&quot; gurus is awfully naive).   &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;You need to make sure that customer support and getting customer feedback works on your own website first of all.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;All of the Internet is &quot;Social Media&quot;. Marketers prefer to use &quot;Social Media&quot; instead of &quot;Internet&quot; because &quot;Internet Marketing&quot; sounds old and cheap and not very exciting.&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tony. As you can see from the discussion above, it all depends on how you define marketing. If you say that marketing is not mainly promote and sell (anymore), but rather customer support and getting customer feedback (&#8221;entering conversations&#8221;, man, do I hate these phony terms!) is what you mean by &#8220;social media marketing&#8221;, we do agree. But: </p>

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<li>No matter how ever fluffy any marketing association wants to define itself, &#8220;improving society&#8221; is not how most people, especially the customer, but also CEOs and CFOs understand marketing. The marketing guy needs to improve the numbers and not waste more time on facebook chatting with bored people and trouble makers (often the image of the average user that wants to talk to companies, as portrayed by the &#8220;social media marketing&#8221; gurus is awfully naive).   </li>
<li>You need to make sure that customer support and getting customer feedback works on your own website first of all.</li>
<li>All of the Internet is &#8220;Social Media&#8221;. Marketers prefer to use &#8220;Social Media&#8221; instead of &#8220;Internet&#8221; because &#8220;Internet Marketing&#8221; sounds old and cheap and not very exciting.</li>
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		<title>By: Tony Ballinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Ballinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll be the black sheep by saying it, but I think you&#039;re wrong on this one. Sure, there is some snake oil salesmen trying to cash in on the buzz of &quot;social media&quot;. But I think more than anything, encouraging companies to participate in Facebook, Twitter and such gets them closer to really understanding their customers. I think as long as a brand is genuinely contributing to the community (and not just hawking products), having companies involved in social media is a good thing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll be the black sheep by saying it, but I think you&#8217;re wrong on this one. Sure, there is some snake oil salesmen trying to cash in on the buzz of &#8220;social media&#8221;. But I think more than anything, encouraging companies to participate in Facebook, Twitter and such gets them closer to really understanding their customers. I think as long as a brand is genuinely contributing to the community (and not just hawking products), having companies involved in social media is a good thing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Oliver Reichenstein</title>
		<link>http://informationarchitects.jp/social-media-marketing-kaboom-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-152526</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Reichenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Joanne:  All I ignored so far, are your insults. But I&#039;ll try to make my own final point politely even though I have some bad ass lines in the back of my head...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a) Market communication about products now happens more and more without the corporation---and that&#039;s how we all want it to stay. We don&#039;t trust anonymous companies, we trust our friends. (So much for the &quot;social&quot; in social media marketing. It&#039;s unreachable by an anonymous commercial entity. We don&#039;t need that weirdo sticking his head over our shoulders when we talk with our friends). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;b) Companies need to use the Internet to get customer feedback and get input for product development. But that&#039;s not &lt;em&gt;social&lt;/em&gt; media either; it&#039;s just &quot;Internet&quot;. (I don&#039;t want to get social with Bugaboo&#039;s customer service, I just want them to send me the replacement for that broken piece without making a fuss).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;c) The real question is: Why do you guys now say &quot;social media marketing&quot; and not &quot;Internet Marketing&quot; even though big commercial and small social are an obvious mismatch? Answer: Because &quot;Internet marketing&quot; sounds cheap. And it is cheap in different ways. If it&#039;s smart: In a good way. If it&#039;s cheesy: In a bad way. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not against classier terms and smart sales tactics; but &quot;social media marketing expert&quot; is a deceiving term. It suggests that you can market (easily) through social media, if you hire an expert that knows the trick.---Fact is: There is no Social Media Marketing trick. It is almost impossible to reach the customer through facebook, twitter, friendfeed. And that&#039;s not just my opinion. Look at the numbers. Social media does not sell anything---unless it&#039;s free.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joanne:  All I ignored so far, are your insults. But I&#8217;ll try to make my own final point politely even though I have some bad ass lines in the back of my head&#8230;</p>

<p>a) Market communication about products now happens more and more without the corporation&#8212;and that&#8217;s how we all want it to stay. We don&#8217;t trust anonymous companies, we trust our friends. (So much for the &#8220;social&#8221; in social media marketing. It&#8217;s unreachable by an anonymous commercial entity. We don&#8217;t need that weirdo sticking his head over our shoulders when we talk with our friends). </p>

<p>b) Companies need to use the Internet to get customer feedback and get input for product development. But that&#8217;s not <em>social</em> media either; it&#8217;s just &#8220;Internet&#8221;. (I don&#8217;t want to get social with Bugaboo&#8217;s customer service, I just want them to send me the replacement for that broken piece without making a fuss).</p>

<p>c) The real question is: Why do you guys now say &#8220;social media marketing&#8221; and not &#8220;Internet Marketing&#8221; even though big commercial and small social are an obvious mismatch? Answer: Because &#8220;Internet marketing&#8221; sounds cheap. And it is cheap in different ways. If it&#8217;s smart: In a good way. If it&#8217;s cheesy: In a bad way. </p>

<p>I&#8217;m not against classier terms and smart sales tactics; but &#8220;social media marketing expert&#8221; is a deceiving term. It suggests that you can market (easily) through social media, if you hire an expert that knows the trick.&#8212;Fact is: There is no Social Media Marketing trick. It is almost impossible to reach the customer through facebook, twitter, friendfeed. And that&#8217;s not just my opinion. Look at the numbers. Social media does not sell anything&#8212;unless it&#8217;s free.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Oliver Reichenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Reichenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stay tuned, we&#039;ll be right back after the following social media marketing break. &lt;object width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;344&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/r_4a4O7kXQo&amp;hl=ja&amp;fs=1&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowFullScreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;always&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/r_4a4O7kXQo&amp;hl=ja&amp;fs=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;always&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;344&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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